Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:55 am Post subject:
New turrets in the game (old turrets)
Hello. Cool Mod. But it needs turret remodelling weapon modification. I reckon Nod should have the old "turret" instead of laser turret. And also a Flame turret instead of shredder Turret .
P.S. I don't have Tiberian Sun. But I would like to know of more turrets QUICK_EDIT
It was in Tiberian Sun that Nod started using laser turrets. And Nod has never ever used a flame turret so if you're talking about following up from an earlier game, you're wrong there too.
Besudes the current turrets are fine the way they are. _________________
The white lady~! QUICK_EDIT
TD:(Anti-Tank) Turret and Obelisk of Light
TS: (Pop-up) Laser Turret and Obelisk of Light
TW: Shredder Turret and Obelisk of Light
KW: (Particle/Laser/Whatever Cannon upgrade) Shredder Turret and Obelisk of Light
TT: Something and probably Obelisk of Light
I also think the current Turrets are fine. Three for the price of one. _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
That's because the so-called 3 turrets are still equivalent to 1 defence unit, power-wise. It's the same rationale as how a C&C 3 squad of 5 riflemen has the same power as 1 rifleman from previous games, not 5 times the power (you can tell because of their similar cost). The only difference is that instead of one single target, the Nod defence is 3 targets, and the firepower decreases the more turrets are lost, unlike older versions where the firepower at 1% and 100% heath is identical. _________________
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Well at least you can micro them enough to hit multiple targets at once (When massed...albeit not too much) instead of overkilling one thing. The main defense is the Obelisk of Light anyway, they're there to supplement it mid/late game since the recharge rate is horrendous.
If the hubs are properly shielded from enemy fire they got more targets to kill first, too. Plus you can squeeze them in places which otherwise might be impossible and such...etc.
(I wonder why I'm standing up for Nod when I'm an avid GDI/Scrin player ) _________________ Please, read the signature rules of the forum. QUICK_EDIT
Hello. Cool Mod. But it needs turret remodelling weapon modification. I reckon Nod should have the old "turret" instead of laser turret. And also a Flame turret instead of shredder Turret
As Valdes said nod is using laser turrets from TS so they should have them in future as well.
As for flame turrets, well actually I have tested flame turret just for fun, but they are completly useless, couple of missile soldiers get rid of them from safe distance any time.
inzane krazy wrote:
They don't do crap alone, except the Shredder turret, that can do it's job on its own, but still.
3 turrets fail in comparison to TS's old 1 uber turret
Valdes wrote:
That's because the so-called 3 turrets are still equivalent to 1 defence unit, power-wise. It's the same rationale as how a C&C 3 squad of 5 riflemen has the same power as 1 rifleman from previous games, not 5 times the power (you can tell because of their similar cost). The only difference is that instead of one single target, the Nod defence is 3 targets, and the firepower decreases the more turrets are lost, unlike older versions where the firepower at 1% and 100% heath is identical.
Yeah but that is actually problem i think. They are considered and balanced as normal defence structures, but they are not normal defence structure because of their unique nature. As you said firepower decreases with more turrets lost, which is quite easy and then is hub too easy to kill while does nothing. I must admit i never consider laser turrets as real threat, I dont want to abandon this 3-turret system because it makes nod unique, but i really feel some rebalancing is needed. QUICK_EDIT
It is just that I think nod should have old turrets as well . I was thinking the 3 turret system with old base defenses would be awesome.
I am not an expert but you can decrease power for the 3 turret system.
Also you can remodel art. & change weapons on the old turrets _________________ When something must be blown up:
Count on Aussie Bomber
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Now throw agrenade out the window & see What happens QUICK_EDIT
you can remodel art. & change weapons on the old turrets
There's a lot to change. Plus I personally don't consider cosmetic changes to be that high priority. Although yeah I do have art ideas too... I once had this obelisk redesign idea for Essence which I suggested to Carnius:
Ultimately though the gameplay stuff still takes precedence. I'm more concerned that he try to avoid another hyper imba unit like the cyborg commando in 1.3... there's quite several new Scrin additions and they need balancing... I dunno if Carnius has beta testers to help out... _________________
The white lady~! QUICK_EDIT
They don't do crap alone, except the Shredder turret, that can do it's job on its own, but still.
3 turrets fail in comparison to TS's old 1 uber turret
Valdes wrote:
That's because the so-called 3 turrets are still equivalent to 1 defence unit, power-wise. It's the same rationale as how a C&C 3 squad of 5 riflemen has the same power as 1 rifleman from previous games, not 5 times the power (you can tell because of their similar cost). The only difference is that instead of one single target, the Nod defence is 3 targets, and the firepower decreases the more turrets are lost, unlike older versions where the firepower at 1% and 100% heath is identical.
Yeah but that is actually problem i think. They are considered and balanced as normal defence structures, but they are not normal defence structure because of their unique nature. As you said firepower decreases with more turrets lost, which is quite easy and then is hub too easy to kill while does nothing. I must admit i never consider laser turrets as real threat, I dont want to abandon this 3-turret system because it makes nod unique, but i really feel some rebalancing is needed.
You could add the fourth turret upgrade from KW if you want to make the hub more usefull. QUICK_EDIT
There's a lot to change. Plus I personally don't consider cosmetic changes to be that high priority. Although yeah I do have art ideas too... I once had this obelisk redesign idea for Essence which I suggested to Carnius:
The current obelisk looks fine the way it is. IMO the obelisk and HoN designs in TW were better than those of before them. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
you can remodel art. & change weapons on the old turrets
There's a lot to change. Plus I personally don't consider cosmetic changes to be that high priority. Although yeah I do have art ideas too... I once had this obelisk redesign idea for Essence which I suggested to Carnius:
Ultimately though the gameplay stuff still takes precedence. I'm more concerned that he try to avoid another hyper imba unit like the cyborg commando in 1.3... there's quite several new Scrin additions and they need balancing... I dunno if Carnius has beta testers to help out...
There's a lot to change. Plus I personally don't consider cosmetic changes to be that high priority. Although yeah I do have art ideas too... I once had this obelisk redesign idea for Essence which I suggested to Carnius:
The current obelisk looks fine the way it is. IMO the obelisk and HoN designs in TW were better than those of before them.
Gonna have to agree with you there, however the HoN could do with being a tad bigger. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:14 pm Post subject:
The classic turret system is better,the only advantage of hub system is to fire at 3 targets at same time with 1/3 firepower(also Damage per Second,also without a tank in front of dps'er he cant do anything by self)
An solution would be constructing 3 heads but as one body totalling the hp in one model.
another would to easy use the old turret system.
one radical solution would be:remove the hub,seperate its hp to the 3 heads.for theyll still have 1/3 firepower it would make only harder to destroy them.
The hub is an good trick but does this idea fit really in our C&C? That must be asked. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
What I meant was the old turret with hub system. _________________ When something must be blown up:
Count on Aussie Bomber
\'/''''\'/
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Now throw agrenade out the window & see What happens QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 11:32 am Post subject:
Isnt that overpowering base defenses ? And how to knack them ? Nod bases become unbesiegable until you get artillery in late game.
If you mean graphics,yeah would be great. _________________ QUICK_EDIT
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New turrets in the game (old turrets)
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. I was thinking the 3 turret system with old base defenses would be awesome.
